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Rusty
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Post Rain tires / Racing
on: April 4, 2013, 19:39
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My thoughts on this since the issue was broached has been that Rain racing should be optional for at least the first year. See how it goes, and who participates. It could be fun, and that's what local level racing is supposed to be about. If the participation is great enough then entertain making the rain races count towards the series points next year. Decisions need to be made based on what benefits the club as a whole. Having the races as an optional "we'll see" affair initially will do little to no harm to the club. It will allow us to try something "new" without alienating those who are disinterested in this form of racing.
Rusty

Terry
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on: April 5, 2013, 12:14
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I agree that racing in the rain would definitely be fun and bring a whole new dynamic to driving at GVKC. Personally, I will not invest in the equipment or spend the time making adjustments for just my daughter to race in the rain. I've talked to other parents that feel the same way. As a board member, I'm all for it as long as its done safely and we can figure out how to make points fair. The problem is how it will force drops to be used and may put someone who has the equipment ahead of another driver that may be consistently better over the season but doesn't drive in the rain. Some would say that's unfair, and others will say they should have bought the equipment so its their loss. Although the 2013 Board discussed and voted against rain racing back in Nov/Dec, we are open to the clubs voice as a whole on this issue. Ballots will be sent out this week to ALL members. We are asking for the return of these by April 27th, and May 5th they will be opened and counted at our first race. I just hope it doesn't rain that day! :D

predator27
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on: April 5, 2013, 18:17
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This year racing in the rain is out. Our budget was set back in January for this season and rain tires and equipment were not on the list. The problem here is the lack of communication when the board voted last fall. Why wasen't the club membership involved at that point when there was time to iron it out. Rain is part of road racing, be it karts or cars. Do they cancel National kart events because of rain? How about Watkins Glen? (Well, sans NASCAR but thats a different breed). I am for racing in the rain, but it will have to be decided on and orginized first, not decided on less than a month before the season starts.

Terry
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Post Re: Rain tires / Racing
on: April 6, 2013, 09:42
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When the topic came up last year, it was quickly voted against for many reasons. The thought had not occurred to any of us to involve the members until we actually saw half the club was seriously interested in doing this at the membership meeting. I forgot to mention the ballots that will be sent are for a "trial run" at racing in the rain this year. There are eight dates only that we would be racing, rain or shine.

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Post Re: Rain tires / Racing
on: April 9, 2013, 17:43
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racing in the rain is ridiculous at the club level. i guess if you have a junky kart and engine,its okay.. but when some of us have put alot of time and effort and money into our equipment, its not a wise decision. i know rusty has a beautiful new kart. i would hate to see it get ruined by sucking in some water or wrecked because of slipping and sliding around other karts. nice shiny karts will also rust up...when it rains....our karts will not be racing

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Post Re: Rain tires / Racing
on: April 10, 2013, 12:32
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As far as we go in the Batavia Kart Club, we have always raced in the rain. Over the last few years especially without having a home track, and going to tracks that do not race in the rain, it has been brought up many times about not racing in the rain. Personally I believe racing in the rain is a great experience to grow and develop as a driver. It is not easy to race even on rain tires in the wet. I believe that knowing how to set up a kart in the wet, and being able to use different lines around the track turns a good driver, into a great driver. Although at a club level it is ultimately the clubs decision. I believe to my knowledge the BKC will continue our rain procedures this year as in the past. If we have a certain number of karts, and corner workers available we will race, but if not we will cancel.

Rusty
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Post Re: Rain tires / Racing
on: April 12, 2013, 16:58
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To be honest I'm not so worried about ruining the kart with a little water. I can say, however, if it rains on one of 5 specific days being allowed, will not be enough motivation for me to pick up an airbox cover, rain tires, and a second set of wheels. If it was a "whenever it rains you can go out if you have the equipment" type deal, I'd like to give it a try. I've had other "hobby vehicles" that have dealt with much worse than a wet asphalt track. A little WD40, some prep work, and an hour in front of a fan and a salamander when we get home... I don't see the cream puff melting from a little water. As far as sliding into each-other, it's a known risk, even in the dry. I've wadded up $1500 RC helicopters before. It hurts, but I knew the risk.
I understand your points Alan. If that is how you feel then absolutely follow your heart. I also see the other side where others are looking to race to the last 1/10th of a second and last point. I personally just want to go out and have fun driving, and this puts me somewhere in the middle.

Thanks
Rusty

Quote from Alan Decker on April 9, 2013, 17:43
racing in the rain is ridiculous at the club level. i guess if you have a junky kart and engine,its okay.. but when some of us have put alot of time and effort and money into our equipment, its not a wise decision. i know rusty has a beautiful new kart. i would hate to see it get ruined by sucking in some water or wrecked because of slipping and sliding around other karts. nice shiny karts will also rust up...when it rains....our karts will not be racing

Terry
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Post Re: Rain tires / Racing
on: April 14, 2013, 19:03
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This is a great thread. It would be nice to hear what other members are thinking as well. Its sounding more like we could just turn our rain days into wet practice days for those who would like to participate. This also solves the question of how it would affect points...

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Post Re: Rain tires / Racing
on: April 19, 2013, 14:32
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Quote from Alan Decker on April 9, 2013, 17:43
racing in the rain is ridiculous at the club level. i guess if you have a junky kart and engine,its okay.. but when some of us have put alot of time and effort and money into our equipment, its not a wise decision. i know rusty has a beautiful new kart. i would hate to see it get ruined by sucking in some water or wrecked because of slipping and sliding around other karts. nice shiny karts will also rust up...when it rains....our karts will not be racing

In the interest of giving you guys as much information as you can get to help make this decision, we've been racing in the rain at Batavia for a long time. Over the last five years, I have not seen any more crash damage in wet conditions than in dry conditions. I haven't observed more wear and tear to the kart from wet racing. There is more work to do after a wet weekend: kart needs to be dried off, WD-40 sprayed on everything metal.. But paint and chrome on my Arrow is as nice as it was when new.

Tire costs can be a concern. If you run in damp or drying conditions you can wreck a set of tires in a session or two. You'll often see our karts go out in damp conditions on dry tires in those conditions to save us on tire wear. When it's really wet, the tires last several weekends. I often find good deals on eBay when the compounds change year over year.

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